tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5117005533318160902.post1564999224094783525..comments2024-03-27T19:53:53.708-06:00Comments on growing changing learning creating: Exploring ubiquitous complexityTom Haskinshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12658791778134826289noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5117005533318160902.post-27682746854971445152009-06-12T12:04:55.848-06:002009-06-12T12:04:55.848-06:00Hi Ken
Thanks for the welcome! Good luck learning ...Hi Ken<br />Thanks for the welcome! Good luck learning Māori.<br /><br />We're on the same page about wanting to understand complexity now that's been become more accessible and seemingly useful.<br /><br />Tipu Ake ki te Ora <br />(simplistically translated as “Growing ever upwards towards wellbeing”)Tom Haskinshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12658791778134826289noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5117005533318160902.post-22423930392488469662009-06-12T00:33:33.683-06:002009-06-12T00:33:33.683-06:00Haere mai!
Haere mai!
Haere mai!
Welcome to the M...<b>Haere mai!</b><br />Haere mai!<br /><i>Haere mai!</i><br /><br />Welcome to the Māori language Tom! I am (slowly) studying it at the moment - with difficulty. But then, there are many things I want to learn before I die. Among them is a better understanding of complexity - a relatively new study and almost a 21st century concept.<br /><br />Ngā mihi nuiBlogger In Middle-earthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08722634477041121797noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5117005533318160902.post-13233578456790653032009-06-11T10:37:19.348-06:002009-06-11T10:37:19.348-06:00Kia ora koutou Ken and any Maori natives looking o...Kia ora koutou Ken and any Maori natives looking over your shoulder while you read this :-) Thanks for reappearing here. Your added thoughts gave me some too. <br /><br />In what I've read about Cynefin, the practitioners of the model learn to move problems from complex or chaos to complicated and simple. The assumption appears to be made that there is no money to be made (or paid to employees) for inducing slowly emergent outcomes in complexity or trying anything/everything amidst chaos. The profit motive may very well drive the glossing over those issues.<br /><br />Noho ora mai rāTom Haskinshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12658791778134826289noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5117005533318160902.post-80058126684695066982009-06-11T04:46:22.732-06:002009-06-11T04:46:22.732-06:00Kia ora Tom
I think one of the vulnerabilities of...Kia ora Tom<br /><br />I think one of the vulnerabilities of Cynefin lies in its glossing over some issues. In particular, as you say, it doesn't deal with complexity in a way that permits one to better understand its distinction from complicated. I agree with you about that.<br /><br />At the level that Cynefin tends to operate, it's probably not a big issue if the line between complex/complicated gets muddied a bit.<br /><br />Catchya laterBlogger In Middle-earthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08722634477041121797noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5117005533318160902.post-7457108179883692312009-06-08T19:53:44.237-06:002009-06-08T19:53:44.237-06:00Thanks for provoking me to consider complexity fro...Thanks for provoking me to consider complexity from another viewpoint. All I've read thus far about Cynefin has not given me the impression it sought to better understand complexity. Rather it seemed like a very useful tool to avoid too much emphasis on best practices, too often assuming something was knowable and too much favoring excessive analysis as if everything not simple is merely complicated.<br /><br />Thus complexity could be a quadrant in a model, rather than something that eludes characterization. Makes sense?Tom Haskinshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12658791778134826289noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5117005533318160902.post-15288172167758536622009-06-08T17:59:31.195-06:002009-06-08T17:59:31.195-06:00Kia ora e Tom
Here, complexity seems to have diss...Kia ora e Tom<br /><br />Here, complexity seems to have dissipated or at least been subsumed so that it is no longer an entity. I wonder about this.<br /><br />I wonder at the use of Cynefin in what you are positing here (and in previous posts). I've not pitched in with this till now. But after following development to this stage, I feel that it's gone so far off the Cynefin vision as to have become something else.<br /><br />Complexity is a study and entity in itself. There is no doubt about its separate existence, though I'm sure some of us may not wish to recognise it, or perhaps cannot always recognise it. And while it is true that there may appear to be some blending with other domains, isn't this what the original Cynefin is meant to cope with? <br /><br />There have been a few comments in your previous posts that make me suspicious of the understanding that some may have about complexity. If it's not fully understood, we could be going down inappropriate analytical pathways.<br /><br />Catchya later<br />from Middle-earthBlogger In Middle-earthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08722634477041121797noreply@blogger.com