tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5117005533318160902.post3490659380146699661..comments2024-03-27T19:53:53.708-06:00Comments on growing changing learning creating: Eliminating cheatingTom Haskinshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12658791778134826289noreply@blogger.comBlogger3125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5117005533318160902.post-46454185581312509402008-12-10T09:29:00.000-07:002008-12-10T09:29:00.000-07:00Virgina: Thanks for asking me to define 'cheating"...Virgina: Thanks for asking me to define 'cheating". The next post responds to your request. I have difficulty drawing the line between taking a fair or unfair advantage of someone else. Rather I prefer to consider everything as "fair game with consequences". Then it's not a question of fairness, but of repercussions over the short and long term on oneself and others. <BR/><BR/>Ken: Thanks for framing this issue as a question of perception, relative merit and context. I agree that any incident of "cheating" can be taken in many ways to serve several different purposes. Thanks for stimulating my thoughts on all this!Tom Haskinshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12658791778134826289noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5117005533318160902.post-91411113780129296952008-12-09T23:38:00.000-07:002008-12-09T23:38:00.000-07:00Kia ora TomI have to concur with Virginia here. 'C...Kia ora Tom<BR/><BR/>I have to concur with Virginia here. 'Cheating' has to be well defined.<BR/><BR/>'Cutting corners' is a well known tactic in many track sports, for runners, cyclists, motocross and racing cars. But it is not considered cheating. In fact, in most circles in these sports it's considered good technique.<BR/><BR/>'Faking a genuine contribution' is also up for discussion. Other than outright copying of a <I>genuine</I> contribution and putting it in as a contribution, it becomes a matter for debate. It's all to do with perception, I guess.<BR/><BR/>But isn't that what all controversy is about? Perception? Do I cheat by following all the legal rules to the letter, including using all the loopholes that exists? Or do I get applauded for finding the loopholes, that they can now be plugged?<BR/><BR/>And what if the loopholes, once found, are not plugged? Do I cheat by using them again while continuing to follow all the legal rules?<BR/><BR/>Cheating in play, in life, in business and in law has to be defined. Not only that, it should be recognised by all parties. Of course, this is where a lot of cheating goes undetected, or unrecognised - 'condoned' is the term some might use, for all parties may <B>not</B> recognise cheating.<BR/><BR/>Let me use an analogy. My wife and I often play CIV, a sophisticated computer strategy game. We have often debated about the validity of saving our games at strategic points so that we can revisit the game at that point and replay it from there. We both have done this. We both learnt a lot from doing this. But is it cheating?<BR/><BR/>My answer to this question is simply: <B>it depends on the rules that you are playing by</B>.<BR/><BR/>The crims are well known for playing by their rules. So much so that they have their own set of rules.<BR/><BR/>Woe-betide a crim that breaks the rules against another crim. Some crims are so committed to their own set of rules that they think it's fair if they get caught and prosecuted by the law. Strange, isn't it? that crims should think this way. But some of them do. They have their own set of morals - their own set of rules.<BR/><BR/>I could go on for another page:-)<BR/><BR/>Catchya later<BR/>from Middle-earthBlogger In Middle-earthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08722634477041121797noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5117005533318160902.post-59696693423886546892008-12-09T16:51:00.000-07:002008-12-09T16:51:00.000-07:00The conversation I often have in my classroom is w...The conversation I often have in my classroom is what is "cheating"? For me, in our culture, cheating is an unfair advantage one individual has over another. <BR/><BR/>However, does that mean that children born to privilege, who have educated parents that can help support them in their learning are "cheating"? Or is this good parenting? When I help my son by giving him feedback, is this cheating? When I help my colleague by giving him or her feedback, is this cheating?<BR/><BR/>I think you need to define what you mean by "cheating".V Yonkershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11910904367068063554noreply@blogger.com